Examining the Truth of Absolute Write's Claim To Being a Valuable Writer Resource

Publishing Experts James D. Macdonald and Debra Doyle

Does it all center around the meaning of the word "valuable"? Below is the advertising claim of Absolute Write as related by AW's foremost champion and spokesperson, Victoria Strauss--who utilizes AW as her main source of advertising for her fantasy series. This passage is taken from her "Haters Gonna Hate" post (recommend reading the comment thread to the end) on her blog:

The truth: AW is a valuable resource, one of the largest and most active writers' forums on the Internet. (As of this writing, it boasts nearly 60,000 members, over 8 million posts, and anywhere from 1,000 to 3,000 users active at any given time--scroll down to the bottom of AW to see these statistics.) At AW, you can discuss every aspect of craft and genre, learn about the ins and outs of publishing and self-publishing, share your work-in-progress, get your query letter critiqued, connect with beta readers and writing buddies, commiserate about rejection and rejoice about success, and participate in discussions about culture, music, art, politics, and just about anything else you want to talk about. AW members include writers at every stage of their careers--from just thinking about publishing to multi-published--along with a wide variety of publishing industry experts and professionals: literary agents, publishers, editors, illustrators, designers, and more.

Our response to the above as follows.

This is a country of over 300 million people. Millions write. Absolute Write has been collecting a member list for well over a decade, and in all that time, the list has grown. It makes sense that after millions of pageviews a list of 60,000 by 2015 is not unreasonable. As a matter of fact, we would have predicted a list three times as big if the original owner, Jenna, were still running things. But she isn't, and it's all speculation, though we believe that the failure to build a much larger list has been the result of unprecedented hostility towards large numbers of writers (as noted on this blog). Regardless, we did view the users at the bottom of the page and found the count to be less than 150. We haven't tracked it day to day, but less than 150 on a weekday afternoon is far less than 3000.

But what difference does this make? AW can still be a valuable writer resource whether it has 3000 at any one time or 30. Right?

Business Pro on AW

The spokesperson Victoria says, "you can ... get your query letter critiqued," among other things. Sure, you can, we've seen the proof: dozens of unpublished and self-published whoevers giving query letter advice that varies drastically in quality from one thread to the next, from one whoever to the next. And whoever are these scores of sage professional advisers anyway? Look closely. If you can actually translate one of them into a real name, you'll immediately realize that you've never heard of this person. But of course. What real publishing house editor or literary agent is just going to be hanging around disguised in AW chat forums on a daily basis just waiting to give beginner advice to beginners? Don't they have better things to do, like their job?

Moving on to the "ins and outs of publishing and self-publishing." We find this amusing since AW and its owners have been excessively nasty towards proponents of self-publishing, so there is a huge contradiction here. For example, taken from the comments on the page regarding the banning of Robin Sullivan:

As a member of Absolute Write since January 2009, I have been extremely dismayed with the increasingly hostile attitude to anyone who displays a positive attitude towards self-publishing. As you know, I have been in many of the same threads as you, and I have witnessed first-hand the same small group of people attack you over and over again. Throughout it all, you have kept your cool, and answered them with facts. I don't know how you did it, but you did. I think your ban was 100% baseless.

The golden rule of Absolute Write is supposed to be "respect your fellow writer". I have been seeing precious little respect towards any writer who expresses an interest in self-publishing.

Absolute W Owner Who Isn't a
Writer But a Horse Farm Operator

As with the query letter, just whoever with a pail full of neophyte advice is hanging around just waiting to tell you the "ins and outs" anyway? Back to query letter mode. Here come the whoevers with loads of "advice" for you. If you're fool enough to take it, you've got a problem. Everyone is an expert on Absolute Write. Let a million thoughts contend! And as we've noted elsewhere on this blog, you can't trust the owners, they're not fiction writers. Rarely do you see a moderator with any sense intervening in these amateurish blather fests that go on constantly at AW. So where is the value? 

We agree with Victoria that like any writer forum or chat board thing, Absolute Write Water Cooler is a place where you can dialogue with peers, share stuff, talk about your trip to Tasmania, and so forth. But does this make AW a stand out "valuable" writer resource? 

Stacia Kane Ready for Action

Finally, we come to the claim that "publishing industry experts and professionals" are members of AW. Well, you can't refute that since we have no measure or basis to judge what Victoria means by experts, and no list of names. Whoever they are, they are rarely if ever present. The fantasy author Stacia Kane is an exception. Like Victoria, AW is the primary vehicle for marketing her books. You'll see her popping up on every popular conflict thread where a good bash fest is going on. But just casually step into the novel forum section of the Water Cooler and you will see the name of only one person there who is in any way related to the publishing business: James D. Macdonald. He hangs out because he and his wife, Doyle, make money from consults and classes they advertise on AW. We've discussed good old Congenial Sage Macdonald here on W.A.R. Are these the so-called experts and professionals Victoria is referring to?

Our ears and eyes are open, AW. Come over and comment on this thread. Feel free to set the record straight. You won't be bullied, and neither will we.

Snideness Becomes Stacia Kane - Bottom Lister Author Still Hopes for Sales on Absolute Write

Stacia Kane, an Absolute Write regular, has been a phone psychic, a customer service representative, a bartender, and a movie theatre usher. She wears a lot of black, still makes great cocktails, likes to play music loud in the car, and thinks Die Hard is one of the greatest movies ever made. She believes in dragons and the divine right of kings, and is a fervent Ricardian. Her books have been repackaged time and time again by major publishers, but sales still sag to the bottom list, and yet, she persists. If you're not sure why, here are some of her favorite quotes from her books on a dating website. And if this bio of Stacia Kane doesn't say it all, there is more below.

From the mouth of author Stacia Kane:

"And you’re a fucking hypocrite. Outing people from behind the veil of anonymity. Yelling at people for daring to express opinions while behaving as if every word you type is precious and golden. Deciding it’s your place to attack people you deem “bullies.” (By the way, I’m also not talking about the difference between bullying and what you seem to think is bullying, and how offensive that is, and how I’m tired of seeing people hide behind the buzzword-of-the-day to justify their own complete lack of human decency.) Honestly, I’m not just angry and sick about this. I am both of those things, intensely. I’m furious. I’m horrified."

It's Stacia Kane herself taking a stand. Hooray. Okay, but? Is this the Stacia Kane who hangs out perpetually on Absolute Write, in the very midst of some of the worst bullying online? Not only allowing the bullying with her silence but also assisting it with her own shrewd style of pseudo-reality creation? The answer is a huge YES, it is her, one and the same. And her fans in the comment section couldn't be more supportive. It's always educational to watch an author, even a bottom lister like Kane, get her butt kissed--and by some Absolute Write regulars.

 

 

Our opinion of the hero Stacia Kane, however, is more like the one posted over at STGRB, a site decried and insulted by her whenever possible:

Stacia is known around the web as being quite a nasty troll when it suits her. She loves jumping into the fray whenever there’s a war going on, stirring the pot, then jumping out again. She’s one of those people who love causing trouble, which is the reason trouble always finds her. Avoid her at all costs. I’ve had my eye on her for years, and she’s bad news. She has a negative reputation for a reason.

And:

Stacia is a bully-instigator. She also propagates the bully mentality by validating the bully views, even if she doesn’t have the whole story. I think she does this to try to get more book sales and get more popular with goodreads reviewers. She’s a bit of a snake to put it nicely.

But these comments can't be taken at face value. We had to go and search out a lot of Stacia Kane posts on Absolute Write. And guess what? The posts above are totally correct. With failing book sales and a sagging career, Stacia Kane repeatedly injects herself into popular conflict threads on Absolute Write, i.e., the kind of threads that draw the most readers. Unlike the many thinly disguised bullies on AW, she is careful not to openly lie, however, she is a master of the lie of omission, and the art of making misleading statements. If she were getting divorced and accused her husband in court of yelling at her abusively, she would leave out the part about having first allowed the dog to pee in his soup without telling him. Then she picks and chooses whatever abstracted bits of reality suit her purpose, and in a way that is sneaky and cunning.

For example, when she's out to trash whoever or whatever, she creates a false impression by picking and choosing bits of information guaranteed to make her victim look sorry or pathetic or downright bad. If she wished to trash her local plumber for refusing her offer to have a martini after work, she might go to Yelp and say, "He showed up with dirty hands and a wrench. I got the bill for 1345.00 and he vanished." She would naturally leave out the part about his other tools, his van, the fact that he washed his hands before entering her house, and the big part about the enormous amount of extensive work he did to restore and refit her pipes; and yes, he "vanished" because the work was done and he moved on to his next job. Stacia is so good at this type of character assassination she could blacken the Buddha himself.

In exchange, she gets loads of page views for whatever "fucking" ghost book she is pushing, hoping against hope someone will buy them. And they do.  An example of one of her fans is below on Youtube. If you want those types of fans, then author Stacia Kane is a great model for you, and perhaps, a reason to hang out on Absolute Write and chase her down to read you ms or give you tips on writing sex scenes.

One of the Kane-ettes. A good example of Stacia Kane's reading public: