tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7770060569501256999.post232573732095030598..comments2024-01-13T14:22:02.849-08:00Comments on Write Absolute Reviews of Bully Boards: Viable Paradise Writing Workshop With Absolute Write Bullies. What Could Be More Fun?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7770060569501256999.post-11850589491162433602015-10-28T11:25:09.282-07:002015-10-28T11:25:09.282-07:00It just kills me with laughter to see that Macalis...It just kills me with laughter to see that Macalister Stone, one of the most infamous leaders of arguably one of THE worst cyberbully mobs on Internet, is none other than the enforcer of verbal harassment rules at Viable Paradise:<br /><br /><a href="http://viableparadise.net/viable-paradise/viable-paradise-harassment-policy/" rel="nofollow">http://viableparadise.net/viable-paradise/viable-paradise-harassment-policy/</a><br /><br />This is what the Mac'ster will be on the prowl for:<br /><br />"Harassment can take many forms. It may be, but is not limited to, the following: words, signs, jokes, pranks, intimidation, physical contact, or violence. Harassment does not have to be sexual in nature. Sexual harassment may include unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, or other verbal or physical contact of a sexual nature when such contact creates an intimidating environment or prevents an individual from effectively performing the duties of his or her position, or when such conduct is made a condition of employment or compensation either implicitly or explicitly. It is not the intent of the behavior by the offender that determines if harassment has occurred but whether the behavior is welcome by the receiver."<br /><br />Can't you just see her, walking quietly around the room day after day, her ears pricking for possible words or jokes or signs or pranks she might disapprove of?VPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7770060569501256999.post-63042205798864614132015-10-28T11:20:07.180-07:002015-10-28T11:20:07.180-07:00It just kills me with laughter to see that Macalis...It just kills me with laughter to see that Macalister Stone, one of the most infamous leaders of arguably one of THE worst cyberbully mobs on Internet, is none other than the enforcer of verbal harassment rules at Viable Paradise:<br /><br /><a href="http://viableparadise.net/viable-paradise/viable-paradise-harassment-policy/" rel="nofollow">http://viableparadise.net/viable-paradise/viable-paradise-harassment-policy/</a><br /><br />This is what the Mac'ster will be on the prowl for:<br /><br />"Harassment can take many forms. It may be, but is not limited to, the following: words, signs, jokes, pranks, intimidation, physical contact, or violence. Harassment does not have to be sexual in nature. Sexual harassment may include unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, or other verbal or physical contact of a sexual nature when such contact creates an intimidating environment or prevents an individual from effectively performing the duties of his or her position, or when such conduct is made a condition of employment or compensation either implicitly or explicitly. It is not the intent of the behavior by the offender that determines if harassment has occurred but whether the behavior is welcome by the receiver."<br /><br />Can't you just see her, walking quietly around the room day after day, her ears pricking for possible words or jokes or signs or pranks she might disapprove of? Viable Paradiserhttp://viableparadise.net/viable-paradise/viable-paradise-harassment-policy/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7770060569501256999.post-2556593556914909352015-02-07T19:04:13.025-08:002015-02-07T19:04:13.025-08:00Better check this out before signing up.
Teresa N...Better check this out before signing up.<br /><br /><a href="http:///writeabsolutereviews.blogspot.com/2015/01/teresa-nielsen-hayden-fired-from-tor.html" rel="nofollow">Teresa Nielsen Hayden Fired From Tor Books</a>Afraid of Teresanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7770060569501256999.post-62776474470097614462014-12-26T10:49:31.974-08:002014-12-26T10:49:31.974-08:00Does anyone else find it weird that they recently ...Does anyone else find it weird that they recently got rid of the classes? I was reading STGRB, and turns out the reason there are no classes now is because they had gotten rid of them. Why is that I wonder?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7770060569501256999.post-19181783594332259892014-10-06T11:54:29.345-07:002014-10-06T11:54:29.345-07:00Old Hack is not Debra Doyle. Hack lives in England...Old Hack is not Debra Doyle. Hack lives in England, Doyle in America. Check your facts. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7770060569501256999.post-25699770730908375192014-08-14T16:40:06.354-07:002014-08-14T16:40:06.354-07:00btw, which fairy or fop is Patrick Nielsen Hayden ...btw, which fairy or fop is Patrick Nielsen Hayden on Absolute Write? Anyone know?Victoria S.http://viableparadise.net/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7770060569501256999.post-34914547490722846322014-08-14T16:38:44.520-07:002014-08-14T16:38:44.520-07:00More info on Uncle Jim of Viable Paradise:
http:/...More info on Uncle Jim of Viable Paradise:<br /><br /><a href="http://writeabsolutereviews.blogspot.com/2014/05/james-d-macdonald-of-absolute-write.html" rel="nofollow">http://writeabsolutereviews.blogspot.com/2014/05/james-d-macdonald-of-absolute-write.html</a><br /><br />More info on Teresa Nielsen Hayden of Viable Paradise:<br /><br /><a href="http://writeabsolutereviews.blogspot.com/2014/07/teresa-nielsen-hayden-aka-hapisofi.html" rel="nofollow">writeabsolutereviews.blogspot.com/2014/07/teresa-nielsen-hayden-aka-hapisofi.html</a><br />Victoria S.http://viableparadise.net/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7770060569501256999.post-39042936021694077012014-08-03T09:18:34.915-07:002014-08-03T09:18:34.915-07:00Amazing, since Teresa Nielsen Hayden isn't a f...Amazing, since <a href="http://sff.net/paradise/tnh.htm" rel="nofollow">Teresa Nielsen Hayden</a> isn't a fiction author, writer, or a developmental editor or acquiring editor for a major publisher. Best to triple check whatever you "learned" from this person. Talk to someone who has actually acquired and developed SF/F books, or an agent who acquires and develops novel manuscripts. And try to read much better SF than books written by Sage and Hack.WAR Adminhttp://writeabsolutereviews.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7770060569501256999.post-18973634060149409372014-08-02T20:40:37.258-07:002014-08-02T20:40:37.258-07:00I attended the Viable Paradise workshop in 2009. T...I attended the Viable Paradise workshop in 2009. The instructors were nice enough. Teresa slept now and then, and we were warned she would due to her narcolepsy, but when she was awake she talked to us about editing and writing fiction. I learned a lot. Debra Doyle was sharp with me but I deserved it for not listening. Uncle Jim was like a big teddy bear man. I didn't care how qualified he was. I tried to read his book, The Price of Stars.Janet R.http://writing.shawguides.com/viableparadisesciencefictionwritersworkshopnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7770060569501256999.post-43261649958726232202014-08-01T17:27:04.982-07:002014-08-01T17:27:04.982-07:00Note to everyone. We have not been able to confirm...Note to everyone. We have not been able to confirm if the former student of Viable Paradise Writing Workshop is who he says he is. It is possible that people got fed in the manner described in this thread.WAR Bosshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viable_Paradisenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7770060569501256999.post-58151915701870631142014-07-29T23:26:26.051-07:002014-07-29T23:26:26.051-07:00Here you go: http://ballybran.org/vp/instructors.h...Here you go: <a href="http://ballybran.org/vp/instructors.html" rel="nofollow">http://ballybran.org/vp/instructors.html</a>. Whose names are at the top or first on all pages? The Absolute Write Bully Brigade, of course.<br /><br />Case rested.Terrified of Hackhttp://ballybran.org/vp/instructors.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7770060569501256999.post-62512106343383755872014-07-27T08:48:53.912-07:002014-07-27T08:48:53.912-07:00"Just for the record: officially, VP students..."Just for the record: officially, VP students get dinner included in the basic fee. Unofficially, you could go to the staff room any time of the day and get fed, which most of us did."<br /><br />This is another lie by this person. Also, Doyle and Macdonald run the workshop while the Haydens lord it over everyone. A couple of guest appearances by one or two other writers who do their thing then leave. As PublisherW said above, just look at the schedule!<br /><br /><a href="viableparadise.net/viable-paradise/a-typical-week-at-viable-paradise/" rel="nofollow">http://viableparadise.net/viable-paradise/a-typical-week-at-viable-paradise/</a><br /><br />Only a couple hours for two guest writers and 90% left is the shit wind crew of bullies from AW. It was only two years after this workshop that I learned the truth about these people and their ongoing racket of luring people into AW with nastiness and conflict. <br /><br />I was a naive kid in the Viable Paradise workshop. That's my excuse. And btw, not a single person from our workshop has ever received a novel contract. Those people praising them on the blogs are their cronies from AW all trying to earn their supper.Former Viable Paradise Writing Studenthttp://viableparadise.net/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7770060569501256999.post-47825731375669937892014-07-25T20:11:09.898-07:002014-07-25T20:11:09.898-07:00I would rather choke on my own vomit than pay for ...I would rather choke on my own vomit than pay for a workshop with Hack and Beast Hayden.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7770060569501256999.post-23379680397779759542014-05-29T11:44:37.299-07:002014-05-29T11:44:37.299-07:00Peers??? I can't believe anyone would ever com...Peers??? I can't believe anyone would ever compare Viable Paradise to Clarion. They aren't even in the same class! That's like saying "everyone should read J.R.R. Tolkien, C.S. Lewis, and Robert Stanek." (If you've never heard of Robert Stanek, you aren't alone. Google him. He has the same ridiculously inflated opinion of his work as the anonymous poster obviously does of VP. So sad it's funny.)<br /><br />Let's do the math, just for fun.<br /><br />Clarion: $118/night<br />Taos Toolbox: $252/night<br />Viable Paradise: $312/night (at the low end of the hotel rates)<br /><br />Yeah. Sub-par bully teachers who spend all their time on a forum for more than twice what the top scifi/fantasy workshop in the world costs. Sign me up.<br /><br />As for The Write Agenda, I'm sure AW would love to believe everyone who speaks against them is the same person. Slight problem with that: I can't stand the way TWA harasses people, and I make that very clear on my blog.<br /><br />Of course, there's also the various writing styles on the different anti-AW-bully blogs too, but it would take real writers to notice that. And as we now know, AW isn't run by real writers, only has-beens, wanna-bes, and never-weres.Fell Lighthttp://absolutewrong.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7770060569501256999.post-51126064832454430202014-05-29T11:15:58.622-07:002014-05-29T11:15:58.622-07:00Amen! She would turn me into a squirming grub and ...Amen! She would turn me into a squirming grub and then, like lunatic con man, I would have to lie about it.Lying Little Squirming Grub Lunatic Cowardhttp://netflix.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7770060569501256999.post-90553109735157228492014-05-28T10:30:27.973-07:002014-05-28T10:30:27.973-07:00Bullshit. PW is right. You're just a flying mo...Bullshit. PW is right. You're just a flying monkey for Mac, else you wouldn't have gone right to the insults and the phony Write Agenda insinuation in the last paragraph. This is classic Mac and Spangenberg, classic Absolute Write!<br /><br />How many insults have you leveled just in the space of a few posts. If you were not giving in to your Mac Spangenberg nature, you might have posed as genuine and concerned former student of Viable Paradise, and all the negativity would never have happened.<br /><br />It's funny and childish. Hundreds of posters and a score of websites are all simply one or two people who run The Write Agenda. What rational person would actually fall for this?<br /><br />Bullshit dodge! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7770060569501256999.post-60045800289193417472014-05-28T07:03:15.405-07:002014-05-28T07:03:15.405-07:00Everyone knows the Uncle Jim character runs the wo...Everyone knows the Uncle Jim character runs the workshop, along with Doyle. After reading his bio on this website and <a href="http://writeabsolutereviews.blogspot.com/2014/02/examples-of-bad-writer-advice-provided.html" rel="nofollow">his puerile 25 steps</a> to writing a novel, you have to wonder at the professionalism of the entire Viable Paradise Writing Workshop. <br /><br />I was at Boing Boing when Teresa Nielsen-Hayden ruled, and let me tell you, it started out okay, but then she devolved into some monstrous form of entity who deleted, banned, and disemvoweled everyone who appeared to share an opinion on anything that differed from her opinion, and she would insult them. She literally became a fascist. You can get a sense of that in <a href="http://brian.carnell.com/articles/2008/teresa-nielsen-hayden-demonstrates-how-not-to-moderate-an-internet-forum/" rel="nofollow">this post regarding her actions</a>.<br /><br />I would be terrified to take a workshop with her. I wouldn't be able to stop trembling and would have to head nod at everything she said no matter how stupid or mean it was.<br />Afraid of Teresahttp://writeabsolutereviews.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7770060569501256999.post-58215156352879993152014-05-27T16:21:31.320-07:002014-05-27T16:21:31.320-07:00“Perhaps you failed to read the website properly? ...“Perhaps you failed to read the website properly? <br /><br />I did misremember the Taos fees. So go to Taos! Taos is awesome. Many Taos people go to VP, and vice versa. I first learned of VP from a dear friend who went to Taos. I had intended to go the following year, but he told me about this VP workshop that several people in his class had been talking about, and when I looked into, I decided it was a better fit.<br /><br />Just for the record: officially, VP students get dinner included in the basic fee. Unofficially, you could go to the staff room any time of the day and get fed, which most of us did. <br /><br /><br />“This is Macdonald's workshop, his baby so to speak, so it is only natural that he and his partner, Deborah Doyle take leading roles. “<br /><br />Jim and Dr Doyle did found VP. That's why we call him Uncle Jim. But that was 17 years ago, and the workshop is much bigger now. My personal, non-lecture study occasions with VP faculty were: Elizabeth Bear and Teresa Nielsen Hayden critted my submission piece, and I had one-on-one meetings with Steven Brust and Patrick Nielsen Hayden. This was a typical experience of VP. Let the objective reader judge. <br /><br /><br />“Macallister Stone is a sockpuppet name for Melodi Sherman, the real owner at Absolute Write. “<br /><br />No, Mac Stone is a pseudonym. To save you a trip to the dictionary, a pseudonym is a name a person adopts for public work. You might take a pseudonym because it's more marketable, because it's more unique, or because there are deranged people out to get you on the Internet. “Sock puppeting” is when one creates more than one online persona in order to give the illusion of more broad-based support. Let me throw out a purely hypothetical example: let's say there was a website titled “The Write Agenda,” dedicated to getting revenge for lunatic con artists against the honest people who exposed them. Said lunatics might create other blogs, maybe one titled “Write Absolute Review of Bully Boards,” in order to make it look like they were a movement, and not just grubs squirming because the late A. C. Crispin & others moved the rock. It sounds outlandish, I know, but these things actually happen. <br /><br />This my last post here. I've spoke my peace. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7770060569501256999.post-80535546639274012052014-05-27T11:09:28.800-07:002014-05-27T11:09:28.800-07:00I presume you are including me in the honored comp...I presume you are including me in the honored company of those accused of being "lying little cowards" not fit to "lick the shoes" of Mac or Teresa. For that, I thank you. I believe there are several hundred of us on record and ten times that number too fearful to speak up for the simple reason they do not wish their careers, jobs, and lives to be threatened by Absolute Write's uncanny ability to eviscerate while rating high in google searches.<br /><br />Now, back to the Viable Paradise Writing Workshop. Lodging is part of "the cost" of the workshop and there is no lie here, only your attempt to mislead. Now for your part in potential lying, here is the link to the <a href="http://www.taostoolbox.com/applications/" rel="nofollow">Taos Toolbox</a>. It clearly states that lodging and most meals are included in the total cost. Also, the Toolbox is two weeks long. At an early bird cost of $3100, that is $1550 in cost for one week. Viable Paradise Writing Workshop cost, naturally including lodging, is $2000.00 and up for six days, and no meals are included. Perhaps you failed to read the website properly?<br /><br />The VP faculty includes these authors you note, but not all the time or all at once. This is misleading. An excursion to the <a href="http://viableparadise.net/viable-paradise/a-typical-week-at-viable-paradise/" rel="nofollow">Viable Paradise website</a> will clearly show James D. Macdonald, Terersa Nielsen-Hayden, and the Deborah Doyle leading most of the workshop. This is Macdonald's workshop, his baby so to speak, so it is only natural that he and his partner, Deborah Doyle take leading roles. <br /><br />As for Mac and Teresa, Mac does not exist. There is no person named Macallister Stone, and you know that. Macallister Stone is a sockpuppet name for Melodi Sherman, the real owner at Absolute Write. The evidence for that is incontrovertible. Her cyberbullying is a matter of public record and easily verified. Teresa is also an infamous cyberbully known througout the Internet from Boing Boing to Absolute Write and beyond. On Absolute Write she operates under the pseudonym, Hapisofi, among others. Her record is also there for verfication. In addition, she pretends to be an acquisition editor at a major publishing house. She is nothing of the kind. This has also been proved.<br /><br />In summary, I would advise potential applicants to take the Taos Toolbox, Clarion, or something else, especially after the very insulting defense presented here. This variety of misleading speech coupled with falsehoods and insulting invective is typical of Absolute Write tactics. If I didn't know better, I would think you are Melodi Sherman, or Lisa Spangenberg. They utter things like this all the time.<br />PublisherWhttp://absolutewrong.blogspot.com/2013/12/silencing-lambs.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7770060569501256999.post-61930605708504095332014-05-27T04:17:19.535-07:002014-05-27T04:17:19.535-07:00"the enormous cost of $2000.00+ which does no..."the enormous cost of $2000.00+ which does not include any transportation or incidentals or the separate application fee which I found a bit unusual"<br /><br />This is what is colloquially known as a “lie.” Phrasing it this way makes it sound like the tuition fee is two thousand, outside of room & board. Application fees are standard for writing workshops. VP's costs are in line with its peers, such as Taos Toolbox ($3100-$3500 for two weeks, room & board not included) and Clarion ($4957 for six weeks, room & board included). <br /><br />“If he were to lead the workshop with a few of the better authors at Tor, and minus the baggage above, I would reconsider my opinion.”<br /><br />The VP faculty includes Patrick, NYT-bestselling authors Scott Lynch and Steven Brust, and multiple-Hugo-winner Elizabeth Bear, the latter two Tor authors. I would think that fulfills your condition.<br /><br />If I resort to blunt language like “lying little coward,” it is because Mac and Teresa have been very kind to me and to many, and I resent seeing them abused by people not worthy to lick their shoes.<br /><br />Dozens of VP alumni have blogged glowing testimonials to the power of the VP experience. Can you find one-one solitary example-of somebody who felt ripped off? PROSPECTIVE VP APPLICANTS: Google “viable paradise experience.” Study the links. Look for the independent blog posts, the ones that my fellow alums wrote purely out of enthusiasm and love. Listen to people who were actually there, not the nattering of those who have demonstrated they have no idea what they're talking about. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7770060569501256999.post-34406199218814128842014-05-26T14:56:49.060-07:002014-05-26T14:56:49.060-07:00One could almost believe you except for the final ...One could almost believe you except for the final invective that no average alumnus of the workshop would have added. You need a full gallon of hate gasoline for "lying little cowards." This marks you as one of the organizers, or at least a member of the Absolute Write inner circle, or perhaps just one of the minions out to earn his or her stripes.<br /><br />Also, you wisely neglected to mention that lodging is not included in the above cost, and that runs $155 to $178 per for six nights, thus substantially raising the cost of Viable Paradise Writing Workshop to an amount that is difficult to digest considering the poor quality of a faculty headed up by the likes of Old Hack Doyle, James. D. Macdonald, and Teresa Nielsen-Hayden of Hapisofi infamy. <br /><br />I concur that only naive new writers could fall for this as a worthwhile learning experience. However, if you go from nothing to something, perhaps it is worthwhile after all. Teresa's husband Patrick is a genuine article and an influential editor, unlike his overbearing wife. If he were to lead the workshop with a few of the better authors at Tor, and minus the baggage above, I would reconsider my opinion.<br />PublisherWhttp://www.complaintsboard.com/byurl/absolutewrite.com.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7770060569501256999.post-22131318826247425902014-05-25T17:12:11.529-07:002014-05-25T17:12:11.529-07:00Viable Paradise was one of the best experiences of...Viable Paradise was one of the best experiences of my life, well worth the $1100 ($1075+$25 application fee) I paid for it. The faculty were all supportive, the staff a pleasure, and in my fellow students I met people who became fast friends. If you're thinking of attending VP, ask people who've been there-not the lying little cowards who operate this blog and others. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7770060569501256999.post-37685618130873110012014-05-09T08:47:02.059-07:002014-05-09T08:47:02.059-07:00They skim a few writers from the applications and ...They skim a few writers from the applications and for all that money provide them with a Writer 101 class. Together with the hooplah and the gross exaggeration of several of the faculty's credentials, the ripped off writers arrive in a state of wonder and bliss. The biggest scam is their alumni page where they keep track of ex-attendees who have gone on to publish in various places. Many of the publications are awful and amateurish, and no where can you find a direct link between Viable Paradise and their publications. Where are the quotes from authors who have books with major publishers? I don't see any.<br /><br />All in all, for that huge amount of money, it's a scam in my book.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com